diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.cpp b/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.cpp
index 1a9951214..6c2f0b809 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.cpp
@@ -360,7 +360,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
         {
             Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::isSingleEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "need single entity");
             static const QDateTime e;
-            const CDbInfoList il(getSharedInfoObjects());
+            const CDbInfoList il(this->getSharedInfoObjects());
             if (il.isEmpty() || entity == CEntityFlags::NoEntity) { return e; }
 
             const CDbInfo info = il.findFirstByEntityOrDefault(entity);
@@ -380,7 +380,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
         {
             if (!this->isInternetAccessible(QString("No network/internet access, will not read shared file headers for %1").arg(CEntityFlags::flagToString(entities)))) { return false; }
 
-            CEntityFlags::Entity allEntities(this->maskBySupportedEntities(entities));
+            CEntityFlags::Entity allEntities = entities & CEntityFlags::AllDbEntitiesNoInfoObjects;
             CEntityFlags::Entity currentEntity = CEntityFlags::iterateDbEntities(allEntities);
             const CUrl urlSharedDbdata = CDatabaseReader::getWorkingSharedDbdataDirectoryUrl();
             if (urlSharedDbdata.isEmpty())
@@ -430,7 +430,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
         CEntityFlags::Entity CDatabaseReader::getEntitesWithNewerHeaderTimestamp(CEntityFlags::Entity entities) const
         {
-            entities = this->maskBySupportedEntities(entities); // handled by this reader
+            entities &= CEntityFlags::AllDbEntitiesNoInfoObjects;
             CEntityFlags::Entity currentEntity = CEntityFlags::iterateDbEntities(entities);
             CEntityFlags::Entity newerEntities = CEntityFlags::NoEntity;
             while (currentEntity != CEntityFlags::NoEntity)
@@ -446,7 +446,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
         CEntityFlags::Entity CDatabaseReader::getEntitesWithNewerSharedInfoObject(CEntityFlags::Entity entities) const
         {
-            entities = this->maskBySupportedEntities(entities); // handled by this reader
+            entities &= CEntityFlags::AllDbEntitiesNoInfoObjects;
             CEntityFlags::Entity currentEntity = CEntityFlags::iterateDbEntities(entities);
             CEntityFlags::Entity newerEntities = CEntityFlags::NoEntity;
             while (currentEntity != CEntityFlags::NoEntity)
@@ -569,12 +569,12 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
         CEntityFlags::Entity CDatabaseReader::maskBySupportedEntities(CEntityFlags::Entity entities) const
         {
-            return entities & getSupportedEntities();
+            return entities & this->getSupportedEntities();
         }
 
         bool CDatabaseReader::supportsAnyOfEntities(CEntityFlags::Entity entities) const
         {
-            return static_cast<int>(maskBySupportedEntities(entities)) > 0;
+            return static_cast<int>(this->maskBySupportedEntities(entities)) > 0;
         }
 
         bool CDatabaseReader::hasCacheTimestampNewerThan(CEntityFlags::Entity entity, const QDateTime &threshold) const
diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.cpp b/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.cpp
index 057206442..aef60e953 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.cpp
@@ -8,9 +8,11 @@
  */
 
 #include "blackcore/application.h"
+#include "blackcore/webdataservices.h"
 #include "blackmisc/sequence.h"
 #include "blackmisc/logmessage.h"
 #include "blackmisc/network/networkutils.h"
+#include "blackmisc/verify.h"
 #include "infodatareader.h"
 
 #include <QTimer>
@@ -52,43 +54,70 @@ namespace BlackCore
         void CInfoDataReader::synchronizeCaches(CEntityFlags::Entity entities)
         {
             // no caching used here
+            BLACK_VERIFY_X(false, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Using this for CInfoDataReader makes no sense");
             Q_UNUSED(entities);
         }
 
         void CInfoDataReader::admitCaches(CEntityFlags::Entity entities)
         {
             // no caching used here
+            BLACK_VERIFY_X(false, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Using this for CInfoDataReader makes no sense");
             Q_UNUSED(entities);
         }
 
         void CInfoDataReader::invalidateCaches(CEntityFlags::Entity entities)
         {
             // no caching used here
+            BLACK_VERIFY_X(false, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Using this for CInfoDataReader makes no sense");
             Q_UNUSED(entities);
         }
 
         QDateTime CInfoDataReader::getCacheTimestamp(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
         {
-            // no caching used here
+            // no own caching used here
             Q_UNUSED(entity);
-            return QDateTime();
+            Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::isSingleEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need single entity");
+            Q_ASSERT_X(sApp, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need sApp");
+
+            if (entity == CEntityFlags::DbInfoObjectEntity || entity == CEntityFlags::SharedInfoObjectEntity)
+            {
+                BLACK_VERIFY_X(false, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Using this for CInfoDataReader makes no sense");
+                return QDateTime();
+            }
+
+            // Forward to web data services so I get cache data from other readers
+            //! \fixme bit of a hack to use web data services here
+            return sApp->getWebDataServices()->getCacheTimestamp(entity);
         }
 
         int CInfoDataReader::getCacheCount(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
         {
-            // no caching used here
+            // no own caching used here
             Q_UNUSED(entity);
-            return 0;
+            Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::isSingleEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need single entity");
+            Q_ASSERT_X(sApp, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need sApp");
+
+            if (entity == CEntityFlags::DbInfoObjectEntity || entity == CEntityFlags::SharedInfoObjectEntity)
+            {
+                BLACK_VERIFY_X(false, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Using this for CInfoDataReader makes no sense");
+                return 0;
+            }
+
+            // Forward to web data services so I get cache data from other readers
+            //! \fixme bit of a hack to use web data services here
+            return sApp->getWebDataServices()->getCacheCount(entity);
         }
 
         CEntityFlags::Entity CInfoDataReader::getEntitiesWithCacheCount() const
         {
+            BLACK_VERIFY_X(false, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Using this for CInfoDataReader makes no sense");
             return CEntityFlags::NoEntity;
         }
 
         CEntityFlags::Entity CInfoDataReader::getEntitiesWithCacheTimestampNewerThan(const QDateTime &threshold) const
         {
             Q_UNUSED(threshold);
+            BLACK_VERIFY_X(false, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Using this for CInfoDataReader makes no sense");
             return CEntityFlags::NoEntity;
         }