diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.h b/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.h
index 27de52bd8..8dd14fdb8 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.h
@@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
             //! \threadsafe
             bool hasReceivedOkReply() const;
 
-            //! Has received Ok response from server at least once?
+            //! Has received Ok response from server?
             //! A message why connect failed can be obtained.
             //! \threadsafe
             bool hasReceivedOkReply(QString &message) const;
@@ -151,7 +151,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
         protected:
             CDatabaseReaderConfigList   m_config;                      //!< DB reder configuration
             QString                     m_statusMessage;               //!< Returned status message from watchdog
-            bool                        m_1stReplyReceived = false; //!< Successful connection?
+            bool                        m_1stReplyReceived = false;    //!< Successful connection? Does not mean data / authorizations are correct
             QNetworkReply::NetworkError m_1stReplyStatus = QNetworkReply::UnknownServerError; //!< Successful connection?
             mutable QReadWriteLock      m_statusLock;                  //!< Lock
 
diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.cpp b/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.cpp
index a6c67a0f7..5547222b8 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.cpp
@@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
         bool CInfoDataReader::areAllDataRead() const
         {
-            return getDbInfoObjectCount() > 0;
+            return getDbInfoObjectCount() > 4;
         }
 
         void CInfoDataReader::syncronizeCaches(CEntityFlags::Entity entities)
diff --git a/src/blackcore/threadedreader.cpp b/src/blackcore/threadedreader.cpp
index 51ed85069..71fadce4f 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/threadedreader.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/threadedreader.cpp
@@ -147,6 +147,16 @@ namespace BlackCore
         return this->m_updateTimer->isActive();
     }
 
+    bool CThreadedReader::isMarkedAsFailed() const
+    {
+        return this->m_markedAsFailed;
+    }
+
+    void CThreadedReader::setMarkedAsFailed(bool failed)
+    {
+        this->m_markedAsFailed = failed;
+    }
+
     void CThreadedReader::setIntervalFromSettingsAndStart()
     {
         this->setInitialTime();
diff --git a/src/blackcore/threadedreader.h b/src/blackcore/threadedreader.h
index f78985f62..b2ebe1499 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/threadedreader.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/threadedreader.h
@@ -22,6 +22,7 @@
 #include <QReadWriteLock>
 #include <QString>
 #include <QtGlobal>
+#include <atomic>
 
 class QNetworkReply;
 class QTimer;
@@ -66,6 +67,14 @@ namespace BlackCore
         //! \threadsafe
         bool isTimerActive() const;
 
+        //! Is marked as read failed
+        //! \threadsafe
+        bool isMarkedAsFailed() const;
+
+        //! Set marker for read failed
+        //! \threadsafe
+        void setMarkedAsFailed(bool failed);
+
         //! Set inverval from settings and start
         void setIntervalFromSettingsAndStart();
 
@@ -110,9 +119,10 @@ namespace BlackCore
         bool didContentChange(const QString &content, int startPosition = -1);
 
     private:
-        QDateTime               m_updateTimestamp;  //!< when file/resource was read
-        uint                    m_contentHash = 0;  //!< has of the content given
-        QMetaObject::Connection m_toggleConnection; //!< connection to switch interval from initial to periodic
+        QDateTime               m_updateTimestamp;          //!< when file/resource was read
+        uint                    m_contentHash = 0;          //!< has of the content given
+        std::atomic<bool>       m_markedAsFailed { false }; //!< marker if reading failed
+        QMetaObject::Connection m_toggleConnection;         //!< connection to switch interval from initial to periodic
 
     private slots:
         //! switch from initial to periodic
diff --git a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
index b72ba7cee..4d255344c 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
@@ -727,12 +727,13 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
         // with info objects wait until info objects are loaded
         Q_ASSERT_X(!entities.testFlag(CEntityFlags::InfoObjectEntity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Info object must be read upfront");
-        if (this->m_infoDataReader && CEntityFlags::anySwiftDbEntity(entities))
+        const bool readFromInfoReader = this->m_infoDataReader && !this->m_infoDataReader->areAllDataRead() && !this->m_infoDataReader->isMarkedAsFailed();
+        if (readFromInfoReader && CEntityFlags::anySwiftDbEntity(entities))
         {
             // try to read
             if (this->m_infoObjectTrials > maxWaitCycles)
             {
-                CLogMessage(this).error("Cannot read info objects for %1 from %2")
+                CLogMessage(this).warning("Cannot read info objects for %1 from %2")
                         << CEntityFlags::flagToString(entities)
                         << this->m_infoDataReader->getInfoObjectsUrl().toQString();
                 // continue here and read data without info objects
@@ -741,6 +742,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
             {
                 if (this->m_infoDataReader->areAllDataRead())
                 {
+                    // we have all data and carry on
                     CLogMessage(this).info("Info objects for %1 loaded (trial %2) from %3")
                             << CEntityFlags::flagToString(entities)
                             << this->m_infoObjectTrials
@@ -749,12 +751,26 @@ namespace BlackCore
                 }
                 else
                 {
-                    CLogMessage(this).error("Info objects loading for %1 failed from %2, '%3'")
-                            << CEntityFlags::flagToString(entities)
-                            << this->m_infoDataReader->getInfoObjectsUrl().toQString()
-                            << this->m_infoDataReader->getStatusMessage();
-                    this->readDeferredInBackground(entities, waitForInfoObjects);
-                    return;
+                    // we have received a response, but not all data yet
+                    if (this->m_infoDataReader->hasReceivedOkReply())
+                    {
+                        // ok, this means we are parsing
+                        this->m_infoObjectTrials++;
+                        this->readDeferredInBackground(entities, waitForInfoObjects);
+                        return;
+                    }
+                    else
+                    {
+                        // we have a response, but a failure
+                        // means server is alive, but responded with error
+                        // such an error (access, ...) normally will not go away
+                        CLogMessage(this).error("Info objects loading for %1 failed from %2, '%3'")
+                                << CEntityFlags::flagToString(entities)
+                                << this->m_infoDataReader->getInfoObjectsUrl().toQString()
+                                << this->m_infoDataReader->getStatusMessage();
+                        this->m_infoDataReader->setMarkedAsFailed(true);
+                        // continue here and read data
+                    }
                 }
             }
             else