diff --git a/src/blackcore/contextnetworkimpl.cpp b/src/blackcore/contextnetworkimpl.cpp
index 739b5bee7..3e46520df 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/contextnetworkimpl.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/contextnetworkimpl.cpp
@@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
         this->m_networkDataUpdateTimer->start(30 * 1000);
 
         // 3. data reader, start reading when setup is synced with xx delay
-        this->m_webDataReader = new CWebDataServices(CWebReaderFlags::AllReaders, 1000, this);
+        this->m_webDataReader = new CWebDataServices(CWebReaderFlags::AllReaders, this);
         this->m_webReaderSignalConnections.append(
             this->m_webDataReader->connectDataReadSignal(
                 this, // the object here must be the same as in the bind
diff --git a/src/blackcore/corefacadeconfig.cpp b/src/blackcore/corefacadeconfig.cpp
index 68f3366e2..a868a555b 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/corefacadeconfig.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/corefacadeconfig.cpp
@@ -66,4 +66,10 @@ namespace BlackCore
         cfg.m_audio = CCoreFacadeConfig::LocalInDbusServer;
         return cfg;
     }
+
+    CCoreFacadeConfig CCoreFacadeConfig::allEmpty()
+    {
+        const CCoreFacadeConfig cfg = CCoreFacadeConfig();
+        return cfg;
+    }
 } // namespace
diff --git a/src/blackcore/corefacadeconfig.h b/src/blackcore/corefacadeconfig.h
index 011a89430..62becbbfa 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/corefacadeconfig.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/corefacadeconfig.h
@@ -99,6 +99,9 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
         //! predefined, remote with local audio (e.g. Aduio in GUI)
         static CCoreFacadeConfig remoteLocalAudio(const QString &dbusBootstrapAddress = "");
+
+        //! predefined all empty config (normlly used when the real config can only be determined later)
+        static CCoreFacadeConfig allEmpty();
     };
 }
 #endif // guard
diff --git a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
index 4646ee7e3..1eedb5568 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
@@ -37,28 +37,18 @@ using namespace BlackMisc::Weather;
 namespace BlackCore
 {
     CWebDataServices::CWebDataServices(
-        CWebReaderFlags::WebReader readerFlags, int autoReadAfterSetupSynchronizedMs, QObject *parent) :
-        QObject(parent), m_readerFlags(readerFlags), m_autoReadAfterSetupMs(autoReadAfterSetupSynchronizedMs)
+        CWebReaderFlags::WebReader readerFlags, QObject *parent) :
+        QObject(parent), m_readerFlags(readerFlags)
     {
+        if (!sApp) { return; } // shutting down
+
         Q_ASSERT_X(QSslSocket::supportsSsl(), Q_FUNC_INFO, "missing SSL support");
-        if (!sApp) { return; } // shutting doen
+        Q_ASSERT_X(sApp->isSetupSyncronized(), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Setup not syncronized");
         this->setObjectName("CWebDataReader");
         this->initReaders(readerFlags);
         this->initWriters();
-        if (autoReadAfterSetupSynchronizedMs >= 0)
-        {
-            // wait for setup read completion
-            // in case this was already fired or will never be fired set a time out
-            if (sApp->isSetupSyncronized())
-            {
-                QTimer::singleShot(500, this, &CWebDataServices::ps_setupTimedOut);
-            }
-            else
-            {
-                //! \todo change !!!!!!
-                QTimer::singleShot(2500, this, &CWebDataServices::ps_setupTimedOut);
-            }
-        }
+
+        this->readInBackground(CEntityFlags::AllEntities, 500);
     }
 
     QList<QMetaObject::Connection> CWebDataServices::connectDataReadSignal(QObject *receiver, std::function<void(CEntityFlags::Entity, CEntityFlags::ReadState, int)> dataRead)
@@ -437,7 +427,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
     const CLogCategoryList &CWebDataServices::getLogCategories()
     {
-        static const BlackMisc::CLogCategoryList cats { CLogCategory("swift.datareader") };
+        static const BlackMisc::CLogCategoryList cats { CLogCategory("swift.datareader"), CLogCategory::webservice() };
         return cats;
     }
 
@@ -541,33 +531,9 @@ namespace BlackCore
         }
     }
 
-    void CWebDataServices::ps_setupRead(bool success)
-    {
-        // setup has been changed
-        if (success)
-        {
-            if (m_autoReadAfterSetupMs >= 0)
-            {
-                if (m_initialRead) { return; }
-                CLogMessage(this).info("Setup synchronized, will trigger read of web service data");
-                this->readInBackground(CEntityFlags::AllEntities, m_autoReadAfterSetupMs);
-            }
-        }
-        else
-        {
-            CLogMessage(this).error("Failed to read setup, will not(!) trigger web data read");
-        }
-    }
-
     void CWebDataServices::ps_setupChanged()
     {
-        CLogMessage(this).debug() << "Setup changed";
-    }
-
-    void CWebDataServices::ps_setupTimedOut()
-    {
-        if (this->m_initialRead) { return; }
-        this->ps_setupRead(true);
+        // void
     }
 
     void CWebDataServices::readInBackground(CEntityFlags::Entity entities, int delayMs)
diff --git a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.h b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.h
index ed92b85d0..85b923e3c 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.h
@@ -51,8 +51,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
     public:
         //! Constructor
-        CWebDataServices(CWebReaderFlags::WebReader readerFlags,
-                         int autoReadAfterSetupSynchronizedMs, QObject *parent = nullptr);
+        CWebDataServices(CWebReaderFlags::WebReader readerFlags, QObject *parent = nullptr);
 
         //! Shutdown
         void gracefulShutdown();
@@ -155,15 +154,9 @@ namespace BlackCore
         //! Read from model reader
         void ps_readFromSwiftDb(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity, BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::ReadState state, int number);
 
-        //! Setup has been read
-        void ps_setupRead(bool success);
-
-        //! Setup has been changed
+        //! Setup changed
         void ps_setupChanged();
 
-        //! Setup timed out
-        void ps_setupTimedOut();
-
     private:
         //! Init the readers
         void initReaders(CWebReaderFlags::WebReader flags);
@@ -172,7 +165,6 @@ namespace BlackCore
         void initWriters();
 
         CWebReaderFlags::WebReader m_readerFlags = CWebReaderFlags::WebReaderFlag::None; //!< which readers are available
-        int m_autoReadAfterSetupMs               = -1;                                   //!< directly read all known readers after setup was syncronized
         bool m_initialRead                       = false;                                //!< Initial read conducted
         BlackMisc::CData<BlackCore::Data::GlobalSetup> m_setup {this, &CWebDataServices::ps_setupChanged}; //!< setup cache
 
diff --git a/src/swiftdata/swiftdata.cpp b/src/swiftdata/swiftdata.cpp
index f12ed22a3..93cf5b382 100644
--- a/src/swiftdata/swiftdata.cpp
+++ b/src/swiftdata/swiftdata.cpp
@@ -33,7 +33,7 @@ CSwiftData::CSwiftData(QWidget *parent) :
     QMainWindow(parent),
     CIdentifiable(this),
     ui(new Ui::CSwiftData),
-    m_webDataReader(new CWebDataServices(CWebReaderFlags::AllSwiftDbReaders, 500))
+    m_webDataReader(new CWebDataServices(CWebReaderFlags::AllSwiftDbReaders, this))
 {
     ui->setupUi(this);
     this->init();
diff --git a/src/swiftguistandard/swiftguistdapplication.cpp b/src/swiftguistandard/swiftguistdapplication.cpp
index c4c4d0c9a..cdea05439 100644
--- a/src/swiftguistandard/swiftguistdapplication.cpp
+++ b/src/swiftguistandard/swiftguistdapplication.cpp
@@ -46,8 +46,7 @@ bool CSwiftGuiStdApplication::startHookIn()
         runtimeConfig = CCoreFacadeConfig::remoteLocalAudio(dBusAddress);
         break;
     }
-    this->useContexts(runtimeConfig);
-    return true;
+    return this->useContexts(runtimeConfig);
 }
 
 bool CSwiftGuiStdApplication::parsingHookIn()