diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.cpp b/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.cpp
index a86e75c7e..1c3fbf7bb 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.cpp
@@ -62,7 +62,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
                     {
                         const bool changedUrl = this->hasChangedUrl(currentEntity);
                         const QDateTime cacheTs(this->getCacheTimestamp(currentEntity));
-                        const QDateTime latestEntityTs(this->getLatestEntityTimestamp(currentEntity));
+                        const QDateTime latestEntityTs(this->getLatestEntityTimestampFromInfoObjects(currentEntity));
                         const qint64 cacheTimestamp = cacheTs.isValid() ? cacheTs.toMSecsSinceEpoch() : -1;
                         const qint64 latestEntityTimestamp = latestEntityTs.isValid() ? latestEntityTs.toMSecsSinceEpoch() : -1;
                         Q_ASSERT_X(latestEntityTimestamp >= 0, Q_FUNC_INFO, "Missing timestamp");
@@ -180,7 +180,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
             return infoList().size() > 0;
         }
 
-        QDateTime CDatabaseReader::getLatestEntityTimestamp(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
+        QDateTime CDatabaseReader::getLatestEntityTimestampFromInfoObjects(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
         {
             static const QDateTime e;
             const CDbInfoList il(infoList());
@@ -190,6 +190,16 @@ namespace BlackCore
             return info.getUtcTimestamp();
         }
 
+        int CDatabaseReader::getCountFromInfoObjects(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
+        {
+            static const QDateTime e;
+            const CDbInfoList il(infoList());
+            if (il.isEmpty() || entity == CEntityFlags::NoEntity) { return -1; }
+            CDbInfo info = il.findFirstByEntityOrDefault(entity);
+            if (!info.isValid()) { return -1; }
+            return info.getEntries();
+        }
+
         CDatabaseReaderConfig CDatabaseReader::getConfigForEntity(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
         {
             return this->m_config.findFirstOrDefaultForEntity(entity);
diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.h b/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.h
index fa17e085d..de23ec55d 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/databasereader.h
@@ -103,6 +103,23 @@ namespace BlackCore
             //! \threadsafe
             bool canConnect(QString &message) const;
 
+            //! Get cache timestamp
+            virtual QDateTime getCacheTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) const = 0;
+
+            //! Cache`s number of entities
+            virtual int getCacheCount(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const = 0;
+
+            //! Info objects available?
+            bool hasInfoObjects() const;
+
+            //! Obtain latest object timestamp from info objects
+            //! \sa BlackCore::Db::CInfoDataReader
+            QDateTime getLatestEntityTimestampFromInfoObjects(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
+
+            //! Count from info objects
+            //! \sa BlackCore::Db::CInfoDataReader
+            int getCountFromInfoObjects(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
+
             //! Status message (error message)
             const QString &getStatusMessage() const;
 
@@ -138,13 +155,6 @@ namespace BlackCore
             //! \sa BlackCore::Db::CInfoDataReader
             BlackMisc::Db::CDbInfoList infoList() const;
 
-            //! Info objects available?
-            bool hasInfoObjects() const;
-
-            //! Obtain latest object timestamp
-            //! \sa BlackCore::Db::CInfoDataReader
-            QDateTime getLatestEntityTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
-
             //! Config for given entity
             CDatabaseReaderConfig getConfigForEntity(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
 
@@ -159,16 +169,9 @@ namespace BlackCore
 
             //! \name  Cache access
             //! @{
-
             //! Syncronize caches for given entities
             virtual void syncronizeCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) = 0;
 
-            //! Cache`s timestamp for given entity
-            virtual QDateTime getCacheTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) const = 0;
-
-            //! Cache`s number of entities
-            virtual int getCacheCount(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const = 0;
-
             //! Invalidate the caches for given entities
             virtual void invalidateCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) = 0;
 
diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/icaodatareader.h b/src/blackcore/db/icaodatareader.h
index 28a8f060b..78a243420 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/icaodatareader.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/icaodatareader.h
@@ -114,15 +114,15 @@ namespace BlackCore
             //! Write to static DB data file
             bool writeToJsonFiles(const QString &dir) const;
 
-        protected:
-            //! \name cache handling for base class
-            //! @{
-            virtual void syncronizeCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
-            virtual void invalidateCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
+            // cache handling for base class
             virtual QDateTime getCacheTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
             virtual int getCacheCount(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
+            virtual void syncronizeCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
+
+        protected:
+            // cache handling for base class
+            virtual void invalidateCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
             virtual bool hasChangedUrl(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
-            //! @}
 
         private slots:
             //! Aircraft have been read
diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.h b/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.h
index 409bea285..ce6d61789 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/infodatareader.h
@@ -48,19 +48,19 @@ namespace BlackCore
             //! URL info objects web service
             BlackMisc::Network::CUrl getInfoObjectsUrl() const;
 
+            // cache handling for base class
+            virtual QDateTime getCacheTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
+            virtual int getCacheCount(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
+
         public slots:
             //! Allow to call CInfoDataReader::ps_read directly, special for info objects
             void read(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities = BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::InfoObjectEntity, const QDateTime &newerThan = QDateTime());
 
         protected:
-            //! \name cache handling for base class
-            //! @{
+            // cache handling for base class
             virtual void syncronizeCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
             virtual void invalidateCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
-            virtual QDateTime getCacheTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
-            virtual int getCacheCount(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
             virtual bool hasChangedUrl(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
-            //! @}
 
         private slots:
             //! Info objects have been read
diff --git a/src/blackcore/db/modeldatareader.h b/src/blackcore/db/modeldatareader.h
index 7539c8304..451e53325 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/db/modeldatareader.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/db/modeldatareader.h
@@ -120,15 +120,15 @@ namespace BlackCore
             //! Write to JSON file
             bool writeToJsonFiles(const QString &dir) const;
 
-        protected:
-            //! \name cache handling for base class
-            //! @{
-            virtual void syncronizeCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
-            virtual void invalidateCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
+            // cache handling for base class
             virtual QDateTime getCacheTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
             virtual int getCacheCount(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
+            virtual void syncronizeCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
+
+        protected:
+            // cache handling for base class
+            virtual void invalidateCaches(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entities) override;
             virtual bool hasChangedUrl(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const override;
-            //! @}
 
         private slots:
             //! Liveries have been read
diff --git a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
index faa2b3666..4490ec05b 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
+++ b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.cpp
@@ -213,6 +213,69 @@ namespace BlackCore
         return triggeredRead;
     }
 
+    QDateTime CWebDataServices::getCacheTimestamp(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
+    {
+        Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::isSingleEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need single entity");
+        if (CEntityFlags::anySwiftDbEntity(entity))
+        {
+            CDatabaseReader *dr = this->getDbReader(entity);
+            if (!dr) { return QDateTime(); }
+            return dr->getCacheTimestamp(entity);
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            // non DB entities would go here
+            return QDateTime();
+        }
+    }
+
+    QDateTime CWebDataServices::getDbLatestEntityTimestamp(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
+    {
+        Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::isSingleEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need single entity");
+        if (CEntityFlags::anySwiftDbEntity(entity))
+        {
+            CInfoDataReader *ir = this->getInfoDataReader();
+            if (!ir) { return QDateTime(); }
+            return ir->getLatestEntityTimestampFromInfoObjects(entity);
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            return QDateTime();
+        }
+    }
+
+    int CWebDataServices::getCacheCount(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
+    {
+        Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::isSingleEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need single entity");
+        if (CEntityFlags::anySwiftDbEntity(entity))
+        {
+            CDatabaseReader *dr = this->getDbReader(entity);
+            if (!dr) { return -1; }
+            return dr->getCacheCount(entity);
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            // non DB entities would go here
+            return -1;
+        }
+    }
+
+    int CWebDataServices::getDbInfoCount(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
+    {
+        Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::isSingleEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need single entity");
+        if (CEntityFlags::anySwiftDbEntity(entity))
+        {
+            CDatabaseReader *dr = this->getDbReader(entity);
+            if (!dr) { return -1; }
+            return dr->getCountFromInfoObjects(entity);
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            // non DB entities would go here
+            return -1;
+        }
+    }
+
     CDistributorList CWebDataServices::getDistributors() const
     {
         if (m_modelDataReader) { return m_modelDataReader->getDistributors(); }
@@ -535,6 +598,20 @@ namespace BlackCore
         }
     }
 
+    CDatabaseReader *CWebDataServices::getDbReader(CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const
+    {
+        Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::isSingleEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "Need single entity");
+        Q_ASSERT_X(CEntityFlags::anySwiftDbEntity(entity), Q_FUNC_INFO, "No swift DB entity");
+
+        CWebReaderFlags::WebReader wr = CWebReaderFlags::entityToReader(entity);
+        switch (wr)
+        {
+        case CWebReaderFlags::IcaoDataReader: return this->m_icaoDataReader;
+        case CWebReaderFlags::ModelReader: return this->m_modelDataReader;
+        }
+        return nullptr;
+    }
+
     void CWebDataServices::initWriters()
     {
         this->m_databaseWriter = new CDatabaseWriter(
@@ -630,6 +707,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
             }
         }
 
+        // read entities
         if (delayMs > 100)
         {
             this->singleShotReadInBackground(entities, 0);
diff --git a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.h b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.h
index 5fae65c6a..18f8e6f3a 100644
--- a/src/blackcore/webdataservices.h
+++ b/src/blackcore/webdataservices.h
@@ -70,6 +70,7 @@ namespace BlackCore
     namespace Db
     {
         class CDatabaseWriter;
+        class CDatabaseReader;
         class CIcaoDataReader;
         class CModelDataReader;
         class CInfoDataReader;
@@ -284,6 +285,22 @@ namespace BlackCore
         //! Trigger read of new data
         BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity triggerRead(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity whatToRead, const QDateTime &dateTime = QDateTime());
 
+        //! Corresponding cache timestamp if applicable
+        //! \threadsafe
+        QDateTime getCacheTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
+
+        //! Corresponding DB timestamp if applicable
+        //! \threadsafe
+        QDateTime getDbLatestEntityTimestamp(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
+
+        //! Cache count for entity
+        //! \threadsafe
+        int getCacheCount(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
+
+        //! Count for entity from entity objects
+        //! \threadsafe
+        int getDbInfoCount(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
+
         //! Can connect to swift DB?
         bool canConnectSwiftDb() const;
 
@@ -321,6 +338,9 @@ namespace BlackCore
         //! Init the readers
         void initReaders(CWebReaderFlags::WebReader flags);
 
+        //! DB reader for given entity
+        Db::CDatabaseReader *getDbReader(BlackMisc::Network::CEntityFlags::Entity entity) const;
+
         //! Init the writers
         void initWriters();